Find out more about our policy and your choices, including how to opt-out. Fallen star Ben Cousins spotted looking happy and healthy at AFL game in Perth Eager to chat with and pose for photos with dozens of West Coast Eagles fans Continues to turn his life around. abc.net.au/news/west-coast-eagles-star-player-josh-kennedy-announces-retirement/101288262 Veteran West Coast Eagles forward Josh Kennedy has confirmed Sunday's home game against Adelaide will be his last in the AFL. On a rollercoaster night for West Coast, club fans wouldve been lifted by two first-round draftees that loom as possible Round 1 starters. By westcoasteagles.com.au on Feb 20, 2023, 10:21pm. In the unlikely event the Eagles lose, the 12-4 Cowboys can jump up with a win at Washington today. All Rights Reserved. Callum Jamieson and Williams shared the ruck against the Power, but the latter was a late withdrawal from the clash against the Crows with hamstring tightness. The coach also got his team into a match simulation phase earlier, rather than breaking down and rebuilding the game style in the classroom first. Crow Sam Berry tries to steamroll Eagles Callum Jamieson (underneath) and Reuben Gibney. Following the biggest and best sports teams of Western Australia has just become a whole lot better - CODE Sports is the new home of sports journalism in the west. Optus Stadium - Burswood, Australia. Picture: AFL Photos, PERTH, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 22: Courtney Rowley and Eleanor Hartill of the Eagles celebrates a goal during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 09 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Western Bulldogs at Mineral Resources Park on October 22, 2022 in Perth, Australia. HB: Liam Duggan, Jeremy McGovern, Tom Cole Eagle Jack Darling avoids surgery on injured ankle, Shuey opens up on West Coasts fitness battles, Eagles star Jack Darling sues Seven West for defamation over COVID jab coverage, Eagles name Shuey AFL captain again, Nic Nat steps down, Eagles forward Isiah Winder charged with assault. West Coast Eagles Official App: Free Android app (4.7 , 50,000+ downloads) Official app of the West Coast Eagles The West Coast Eagles Official App is your one stop. A NOTE ABOUT RELEVANT ADVERTISING: We collect information about the content (including ads) you use across this site and use it to make both advertising and content more relevant to you on our network and other sites. (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Photos), PERTH, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 22: Emma Swanson of the Eagles leads the team onto the field during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 09 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Western Bulldogs at Mineral Resources Park on October 22, 2022 in Perth, Australia. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos), MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 29: Ella Roberts of the Eagles in action during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 10 match between the Melbourne Demons and the West Coast Eagles at Casey Fields on October 29, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. The victim, who the court heard has no injuries but has declined to correspond with the court over the assault, hid in the foyer of the R Hotel - where Winder later returned to go to his own room. West Coast Eagles Hall of Fame inductee Phil Matera talks about his time at the club. Don't miss out on the headlines from West Coast. West Coast Eagles defender Tom Cole speaks to the media ahead of their practice match against Adelaide. Emerging player 2007. A prosecutor told the court that the victim and his girlfriend noticed Winder walk along Bellarine St in Geelong in a state of heavy intoxication about midnight on Saturday, December 3. The majority of the clubs in the AFL took part in match simulations this past week. The super sub is back, with clubs drilling into their lists to determine who would be the best fit to cover for injury, while also potentially having the ability to be a late match winner. There are currently no Stats available for this round, MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - NOVEMBER 22: Sarah Lakay of the Eagles is seen during the 2022 Season 7 W Awards at Crown Palladium on November 22, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. Today's AFL news, live updates & all the latest breaking stories from 7NEWS. West Coast Eagles Home | Games | Players | Rankings | Rising Stars | Drafts | Brownlow | Attendances | Splits | Contracts | Coaches | Past Players | Highlights Latest Team Selections Custom Team Selections List hide menu The 30-year-old Ivory Coast . But Fogarty soon had his third goal after West Coast veteran Shannon Hurn have away a free kick and 50m penalty. I think our group are still going to have good confidence. A large void was opened, and quickly filled, in their front third, while spots at half-back will be heavily in demand this year. And while the daring nature was admirable and almost jarring to watch, considering the previous methodical ball movement plans under previous Simpson-coached Eagles sides the execution was well off. (Photo by Kelly Defina/AFL Photos), MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - NOVEMBER 22: Emma Swanson of the Eagles and Andrea Gilmore are seen during the 2022 Season 7 W Awards at Crown Palladium on November 22, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. AppBrain Dash board Statistics Stats Documentation Docs West Coast did persist, but the turnovers and Crows goals kept coming. Dr Grace said Winder had attended a function on the Saturday evening related to the Summit in which the alcohol flowed freely before he went to the Geelong Hotel, where he continued to drink, and left when he began to feel ill. Liam Ryan's remarkable AFL journey and his commitment to standing up against racism, A football journey from the Eagles birth to mentoring the next generation, Courtney Guard is helping to lead and inspire a new generation both in the class room and on the field, Parris Laurie is a leading voice of an important message, Premiership captain Shannon Hurn reflects on a legendary career at the football club, becoming the first Eagle to reach the historical 300-game milestone. Don't miss a moment on the AFLW Official App. Bulldogs welcoming Darcy dilemma, Old habits die hard as Buckley backs Blues to miss finals. Friday 3 March 2023 12:40 AM (PST) Mineral Resources Park Perth. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos), MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 15: Isabella Simmons of the Eagles and Jacqueline Parry of the Cats compete for the ball during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 08 match between the Geelong Cats and the West Coast Eagles at Ikon Park on October 15, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. Developing forward threat Jake Waterman will be hoping to cement his place as the third tall option after booting 18 goals in 20 games last year. West Coast's cheapest general public reserved seats will cost $57 and prices will rise to $101 for the most expensive. 7NEWS brings you the latest West Coast Eagles news from Australia and around the world. 3. Theyre being squeezed in their back-half far too easily.. A star midfielder has been impressed by teammates at his new local SA footy club just months after joining straight from the AFL. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos), MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 15: Mikayla Western of the Eagles is seen with a potential broken arm during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 08 match between the Geelong Cats and the West Coast Eagles at Ikon Park on October 15, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. The incident claimed the lives of two women, one of whom was the mother of a West Coast Eagles player, and seriously injured another man. USI rallies to win series with Bellarmine: The Eagles had He then made his debut in one of the greatest games in club history - round 10, 2006 when the Eagles came from 54 points down in the middle . USI opened the season with a 3-1 series win over Western Illinois University and a 2-1 series win over Bellarmine University. Each team will have 1 bye at some point during rounds 12 to 15. The West Coast Eagles are an Australian rules football team based in Perth, Western Australia. Adelaide has produced one of the most impressive performances of the AFL pre-season, thumping the West Coast Eagles in a sign the Crows shouldnt be underestimated in 2023. Team | West Coast Eagles News, Players & Match reports | The Age, Nic Naitanui in doubt for Eagles round one clash with Roos, The first teams are in: Your guide to the official AFL pre-season games, Cinderella story? Just now. Theyve played him on a wing and, from what Ive seen, I think hes a fair lock for Round 2, Schofield said of Chesser. But the crucial next step was adding speed to the team and developing tactically after falling behind a transition-focused competition that increasingly rewards quick ball movement and fleet-footed players. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos), MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 15: Aisling McCarthy of the Eagles is tackled by Jacqueline Parry of the Cats during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 08 match between the Geelong Cats and the West Coast Eagles at Ikon Park on October 15, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. Rory Laird then added another from a stoppage before Fogarty kicked his second as the Crows skipped out to a 25-point lead, with the Eagles yet to score. Elijah Hewett, Elliot Yeo and Liam Ryan were among the Eagles' leading lights in Friday's match sim win over Port, writes MARK DUFFIELD. SYSTEM REBOOT The pre-season switch helping Eagles bounce back. (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Photos), PERTH, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 22: Isabella Lewis of the Eagles attempts to handpass the ball during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 09 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Western Bulldogs at Mineral Resources Park on October 22, 2022 in Perth, Australia. Round 1 bolter Luke Pedlar sprinted inside 50 to mark before converting his set-shot goal thanks to a lovely pass from the returning Rory Sloane. In the spirit of reconciliation the AFL acknowledges the Traditional Custodians of country throughout Australia and their connections to land, sea and community. 39 Likes, 1 Comments - Molly Cresswell (@cresswellmolly) on Instagram: "Had an awesome time at the West Coast Eagles open training today with Dylenne. Features. Simpson said handing more responsibility to his assistants this pre-season and drawing heavily on their knowledge was important as the Eagles try to execute better tactically. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos), MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 15: Dana Hooker of the Eagles kicks the ball during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 08 match between the Geelong Cats and the West Coast Eagles at Ikon Park on October 15, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. Get everything you need, from team lists, fixtures, statistics and a profile on every single player in the competition in our 2023 NRL Season Guide. 504. (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Photos), PERTH, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 22: Courtney Rowley of the Eagles shows off her slippers during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 09 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Western Bulldogs at Mineral Resources Park on October 22, 2022 in Perth, Australia. All-Australian 2015. The West Coast Eagles today recognised five pivotal figures in the clubs history on the day that it officially launched its 37th campaign. After a Jamie Cripps goal to West Coast against the grain, Keays slotted his second from a tight angle although the build-up was unconventional after an odd pass to Josh Rachele was deemed less than 15m before the young gun Crow ran himself into trouble on his way to finding Keays via hand. Feature Vignette: Analytics Following a year where they called on a total of 47 players for the home and away season, West Coast will be hopeful 2023 offers some more stability across their list. Don't miss out on the headlines from West Coast. It was probably on the back of some fundamentals in and around the contest, but also when we did get into open play we didnt execute with our skill execution. Watch every game LIVE and FREE right here plus get fixtures, results and more. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos), MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 15: Sophie McDonald of the Eagles is tackled by Chloe Scheer of the Cats during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 08 match between the Geelong Cats and the West Coast Eagles at Ikon Park on October 15, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. The Geelong Magistrates Court heard on Wednesday that after a night of heavy drinking in early December Isiah Winder, 20, opened the door of a car rented by the tourist and his girlfriend outside the R Hotel, Geelong, before he headbutted the victim twice and called him a stupid f***.. (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Photos), PERTH, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 22: Emma Swanson of the Eagles leads the tram through the arc during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 09 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Western Bulldogs at Mineral Resources Park on October 22, 2022 in Perth, Australia. The Eagles will play North Melbourne at Marvel Stadium in their opening game of the home-and-away season on March 18 and the Kangaroos are well stocked with big men. West Coast at the moment are making some poor skill errors and decision-making coming out of their back-half in this attempt to move the ball more quickly, Pavlich said. The Eagles revealed the charge on Monday after Winder joined teammates in returning to training after the Christmas break. On Friday night, the signs were West Coasts new-look ball movement approach needs a bit more work. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos), MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 15: Sarah Lakay of the Eagles, Amy McDonald of the Cats and Dana Hooker of the Eagles compete for the ball during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 08 match between the Geelong Cats and the West Coast Eagles at Ikon Park on October 15, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Photos), PERTH, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 22: Courtney Rowley and Krstel Petrevski of the Eagles are buoyant at warmup during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 09 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Western Bulldogs at Mineral Resources Park on October 22, 2022 in Perth, Australia. Picture: AFL Photos, Sticking with the pride: Gun Lion turns down Hawks approach, The pre-season switch helping Eagles bounce back. The West Coast Eagles have named their 26-man squad for the practice match against Adelaide on Friday evening, West Coast speedsters Jack Petruccelle and Jamie Cripps link up for an awesome goal on the burst, Hear from Jack Petruccelle after the team's pre-season match against the Crows. It was a slow start to the fourth quarter before Berry was rewarded for another solid outing, drifting forward to kick his seventh goal before Keays booted his fourth major. HF: Jai Culley, Oscar Allen, Jamaine Jones Asked at quarter-time if hed tweak his teams approach with ball in-hand to stem the bleeding, Simpson defiantly told Fox Footy: Were trying some new stuff and weve got some new players in the side, so weve just got to keep persisting and dont give up just yet.. Popular Quizzes Today. Credit: Jackson Flindell / The West Australian. (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Photos), PERTH, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 22: Emma Swanson of the Eagles kicks the ball during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 09 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Western Bulldogs at Mineral Resources Park on October 22, 2022 in Perth, Australia. West Coast Eagles v Essendon. AFL Pre-Season - GWS v Gold Coast. The Eagles struggled to get their hands on the ball early, with Adelaide having 16 of the first 17 inside 50s and winning that battle 65-37. A West Coast Eagles young gun was so drunk on the night he headbutted and abused a tourist from Hong Kong that he has no recollection of the assault, foxsports.com.au - Hugo Timms 10h Read more on foxsports.com.au The Eagles lost Josh Kennedy and Jack Redden to retirement, have Shannon Hurn and Jeremy McGovern nearing the end of their respective careers, and saw Junior Rioli depart to Port Adelaide this off-season, among other changes. Following a year where they called on a total of 47 players for the home and away season, West Coast will be hopeful 2023 offers some more stability across their list. That's quite a deal. A West Coast Eagles young gun was so drunk on the night he headbutted and abused a tourist from Hong Kong that he has no recollection of the assault, a court has heard. AFL Team Line-ups - AFL.com.au Premiership Winners AFL Clubs Adelaide Crows Brisbane Carlton Collingwood Essendon Fremantle Geelong Gold Coast Suns GWS Giants Hawthorn Melbourne North Melbourne Port Adelaide Richmond St Kilda Sydney Swans West Coast Eagles Western Bulldogs Created By Expand All Line-Ups VIEW INJURY LIST Loading He'll line up alongside offseason recruit Izak Rankine and Darcy Fogarty in the forward line. USI wins second series of the season: The USI Screaming Eagles have started its first NCAA Division I season with a pair of series wins. (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Photos), PERTH, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 22: Eleanor Hartill of the Eagles celebrates a goal during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 09 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Western Bulldogs at Mineral Resources Park on October 22, 2022 in Perth, Australia. Overall, 11 of his 18 disposals led to Adelaide scores. News. "But I'm not quite sure it was because of the style of play. Callum Jamieson, Reuben Ginbey and Luke Shuey. See the pics from our action-packed Fan Day at Mineral Resources Park! Tim Kelly in action during West Coast's match sim clash with Port Adelaide in February 2023. Watch every match of every round of the 2023 Toyota AFL Premiership Season LIVE on Kayo Sports. More women and girls are playing football in community clubs than ever before! According to the Herald Sun's 100-player rich list, the Eagles are estimated to be spending more than $6m of their $13m cap on Jeremy McGovern, Andrew Gaff, Tim Kelly, Jack Darling, Elliot Yeo, Luke Shuey and Nic Naitanui alone. Travel with the Team Away Match Ticketing Club Song Tipping . Matthew Nicks men were barely challenged throughout the night, running out 59-point winners, 17.9 (111) to 7.10 (52), over West Coast. Flawless Crows feast as confused Eagles bold new plan backfires despite R1 bolters: 3-2-1, Stupid f***: Young Eagles player too drunk to recall tourist assault, Gives them a bad name: Great slams stunning lack of loyalty after McGoverns trade talk, That could be interesting: Tantalising team-up prospect for star brothers revealed, How Cats trade can unlock gun; old Swans problem returns: What we learned about every AFL club, No.1 pick excites in first outing since trade; returning star holds key to Eagles success, Swans glaring problem; Pies big selection issue: Every clubs predicted Round 1 side, AFL lists are now LOCKED IN. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos), MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 29: Emma Swanson of the Eagles warms up during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 10 match between the Melbourne Demons and the West Coast Eagles at Casey Fields on October 29, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. Pre-season practice matches give AFL teams the perfect opportunity to put what theyve learned and trained over the summer into practice with no premiership points consequences. (Photo by Dylan Burns/AFL Photos), MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 15: Sarah Lakay of the Eagles and Kate Darby of the Cats compete for the ball during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 08 match between the Geelong Cats and the West Coast Eagles at Ikon Park on October 15, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. Hes a young player thats really built his way into his career and hes having a standout match today, which bodes well for his and the Crows season.. Thanks to BHP, the West Coast Eagles' Women's & Girl's Academy squad visits Mineral Resources Park to gain an insight into the life of an elite athlete, Eagles AFLW players Ash McCarthy and Charlie Thomas recently visited Newman in the Pilbara as part of the club's Youth Engagement Partnership with BHP, Eagles youngster Courtney Rowley takes on the role of roving reporter at this year's Club Champion Awards, We chat to AFLW coach Michael Prior about some of the standout emerging players in season 7, Captain Emma Swanson collects her second best and fairest award in the same calendar year, Midfielder Ash McCarthy had another consistent season, receiving the Runner-Up Club Champion Award, First-year youngster Ella Roberts receives the Best First Year Player Award for Season 7 in the AFLW competition, Despite a year on the sidelines through injury, veteran Evie Gooch had a major impact with the squad during the AFLW season, Midfielder Bella Lewis is acknowledged by her peers by winning the Trademark Player Award for Season 7, All the glitz and glamour from the Eagles S7 AFLW Club Champion awards night from Crown, AFLW skipper, Emma Swanson, reflects on the season past and the upcoming year, Thanks to BHP, the coaching crew and some of the team run through the highs and lows of season 7 and what's in store for 2023, Ella Roberts, Sarah Lakay and Charlie Thomas created club history, collecting three successive Rising Star nominations during the 2022 season, We go all the way back to West Coast's opening win against the Power where midfielder Ash McCarthy snaps through this absolute ripper, Channel 9 catches up with first-year Eagle Mikayla Western to discuss the painful end to her 2022 season, Senior Coach, Michael Prior, chats to the media following our last clash of the season, Eagles media spoke to milestone player, Belinda Smith, after a devastating end to the season, We chat to Belinda Smith about the journey to playing her 50th AFLW game this weekend. After a strong match simulation win over Fremantle last week, the Crows backed it up on Friday night with another strong outing in a genuine four-quarter effort at Mineral Resources Park. Schofield added: Its always a case of the eye test on these young players. Adam Simpson finally has enough fit players to test his new, faster style - but will it work? "I feel like a lot of our players have lifted in that area away from the club and they have really driven their own standards. "So whether we're just catching up to the competition or we're getting in front of it, we'll find out soon. Coming from Port, they've traditionally been a very good transition side, so some of those things we did.". Picture: AFL Photos, Jayden Hunt during West Coast's pre-season training session at Mineral Resources Park on January 24, 2023. 7NEWS. Follow West Coast vs Adelaide in the live blog below! But for Schofield, Chesser should be right in the Round 1 mix to face North Melbourne. West Coast Eagles Hall of Fame inductee Mark LeCras talks about his time at the club. Details of the AFLW Priority Signing Period and Sign and Trade Period have been released. Sat 4 Mar, 5:00am. West Coast Eagles player Rhett Bazzo's mother found dead after Mandurah boat crash By Grace Burmas and Tabarak Al Jrood Posted Sun 22 Jan 2023 at 2:49pm, updated Sun 22 Jan 2023 at 11:48pm The body of Kylie Bazzo (left), pictured with daughter Kameron and son Rhett, has been found. Here is a look at how each club looked after their first appearance of 2023. I/C: Reuben Ginbey, Jamie Cripps, Campbell Chesser, Brady Hough West Coast Eagles @WestCoastEagles Dec 9 Alec Waterman has more than one reason for his return to the blue and gold. Hes been hard at the ball, looked clean, hes got to the right spots hes been a feature for the Eagles, Pavlich said. Pyke, a two-time premiership player, played more than 100 games for the Eagles . The match gets underway at 7:40pm from Mineral Resources Park. The prospect of playing for the same AFL club still lingers for Jeremy and Mitch McGovern, according to their management as the duo face intriguing years where their respective contracts both expire at seasons end. Judicial Registrar Michael Bolte said Mr Winder was a disciplined and determined individual who had learnt a genuine lesson in life.. "We get in for a couple of weeks pre-Christmas so maybe four sessions, and then suddenly it's January 13," Simpson said. Its been such a mandate theyve played for a long time the slower, precise kicking and slow ball movement out of the back-half so to change that is significant., Asked if it was a case of West Coast trying to force quick transition too much or more Adelaides relentless defensive pressure, Pavlich said: A bit of both.. West Coast coach Adam Simpson says Nic Naitanui is doubtful for round one, but skipper Luke Shuey will be unleashed in Fridays pre-season clash with Adelaide. Carltons Mitch McGovern and his brother Jeremy, of West Coast premiership fame, are off contract this year. FF: Liam Ryan, Jack Darling, Jake Waterman (Photo by Daniel Carson/AFL Photos), PERTH, AUSTRALIA - OCTOBER 22: Sophie McDonald of the Eagles focuses during the 2022 S7 AFLW Round 09 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Western Bulldogs at Mineral Resources Park on October 22, 2022 in Perth, Australia. Across 24 rounds, the 18 clubs will play 23 matches each. Sat 4 Mar, 2:30am. Jamaine Jones could be shifted back to the forward line given the Eagles' defensive riches and the void left by Junior Rioli, who has departed to Port Adelaide. Crystal Palace boss Patrick Vieira has warned his players they cannot rely on the returning Wilfried Zaha alone to get them where they want to be. 504. Adam Simpson's taller stocks have seen a shift atop the pecking order, with 2022 best and fairest winner Tom Barrass now the standout star on the Eagles' last line, having been handed the baton from club great Jeremy McGovern last season. The Eagles lost their all-time goalkicker in Josh Kennedy to retirement over the off-season, a move that has opened a sizeable void in their attack. 1. West Coasts ruck stocks are facing a nervous countdown to round one after Bailey Williams joined Nic Naitanui on the sidelines for the teams 59-point loss to Adelaide on Friday night. Alternatively West Coast would be really disappointed with how theyve started.. Sydney, NSW. (Photo by Kelly Defina/AFL Photos), MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA - NOVEMBER 22: Aisling McCarthy and Courtney Rowley of the Eagles are seen during the 2022 Season 7 W Awards at Crown Palladium on November 22, 2022 in Melbourne, Australia. Dressed in a white shirt and black tie, Winder, represented by Dr David Grace KC, agreed to a court diversion plan that requires he pay $1500 to the Mark West Foundation and write a letter of apology to his victim. Here are the 15 best from their first pre-season hit-out. Dockers legend Matthew Pavlich added: Its been a flawless start from the Crows There is not one element of the game that isnt in sync at the moment. We saw it again tonight. Strong tackles, hard in-and-under, clean inside, one-handed pick-ups, contested work thats really difficult to teach.